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Do Marcionites Celebrate Christmas? Learn the Surprising Story Behind the Answer

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Like presents under the Christmas tree, you never know what you'll get when you open viewer mail and this week was no different. Christmas, Greeks, secession, PDF flipbooks and a solar eclipse in 29 A.D. are among today's topics.

Topics discussed in the episode:

Arrival of Jesus and the Eclipse:

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEhistory/SEplot/SE0029Nov24T.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion_darkness

The star of Bethlehem : an astronomer's view

by Kidger, Mark R.

Isbn 0691058237

9780691058238

The Very First Bible Flipbook:

https://www.theveryfirstbible.org/Ebook.html

The oldest inscription bearing the name of Jesus in the world:

https://tv.gab.com/channel/theveryfirstbible/view/the-oldest-inscription-bearing-jesus-name-61846b1edf861af71c6e7066

Vatican documents and translations referencing Marcion of Sinope:

https://www.prlog.org/12829026-first-bible-vindicated-after-vatican-release-shows-epistles-based-on-marcionite-scripture.html

Marcionite Christian Church:

https://www.marcionitechurch.org

First Bible Network:

https://www.firstbiblenetwork.com/news.html

Like presents under the Christmas tree,you never know what you'll get when you open viewer mail, and this week was nodifferent Christmas, Greeks, secession and a solar eclipse in two thousand andnine a d are among today's topics. I had already started writing today'sepisode when I was interrupted by several voice. Males and emails fromMarcionite presbyters presbits are a kind of well they're like priests. Theylead a small congregation of believers in mass and discussion, but they do itin a meeting house, not a church. They...

...use a Latura guide provided by thechurch, to conduct mass baptisms or any of the usual rights and sacraments youcommonly find it a Christian Church and, of course, the Latura Guide in mass andthings the presbitero learn is based on the foundation, the Sola Scriptura ofthe church, the very first Bible, the pre Nicene Bible of one, forty, four, ad. In any event, the voice, mails and emails were suddenly all aboutChristmas. It's right around the corner and their parishioners are asking a lotof questions and presiders aren't the only ones that have taken an interestin what the marcianise church does about Christmas. Let's set the tonewith a viewer voice message from just a couple days ago. I daren't I've got aquestion: that's on the lighter side, from the Ovid topic and with theholiday season coming up. I was wondering...

...what holidays is Marcia nights you should beobserving and- and maybe, if you have some traditionsyou could share with us. I'd be interested inhearing about that got my little family here and my young ones, and we'vealways done the traditional Christmas is former Catholic yeah. I'm justcurious, you do and how you choose to celebrate thanks now.At first glance it seems like a simple question and most of them are until F,B N Gets a hold of them and starts looking under the hood, and this onewas no exception now, for starters, marcine use the pre nice scene, Bibleand that Bible only has one gospel. The Gospel, the Gospel of the Lord,delivered to Paul by Jesus on the Road to Damascus and that Gospel doesn'thave any stories about prophetic,...

Persian, kings and horse stalls andpregnant Jewish women. So we don't have a birth story per se,but we do have an arrival story, a descent story and mercy night celebratethe day that Jesus arrived on earth and took on human form when he became human.In fact, he did it twice once when he first descended to Earth and again whenhe visited the apostles after his resurrection and ascension. That visitis also found in the Modern Bible. Now did he need to be bured by anotherJewish woman or any woman for that matter, when he returned in human formto visit with the Apostles after his resurrection? Of course not he simplydescended again, just like he did the first time. So the short answer is yes:marcianise celebrate Christmas. Now,...

...let's look under the hood and before Iget into this is regular listeners know when we tackle tricky subjects. I leanheavily on Bishop Andrew Theopolis at the church, and I wanted to do that.This time as well, but he's traveling to El Salvador of all places ill of alink in the show notes explaining what that trip is all about if you'reinterested so he's gone, but when one door closes another opens and theChancellor of the central Ponchet of the church, a w Mitchell agreed to helpme with this Christmas issue and as he explained to me, it is in the firstsentence of the gospel of the Lord that we find what direction to go to for ouranswer. We learned that Jesus descended first arrived on earth in the FifteenthYear of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, and he arrived in a town calledCapernaum on the edge of the Sea of Galilee. Now you're going to see whyall three of thosefacts are so...

...important. Now for us, the FifteenthYear of Tiberius, his reign translates into the year two thousand and nine a d.now, that's pretty good. At least it gives us a start now we know the yearwhen he arrived and we know where he arrived, and if we were like theCatholics and other Christians, we would just slap a random day and monthon it and call it Christmas, but we can do better than that. A lot better, infact the mercy. No, it can not only tell you the exact day that Jesusarrived. They can tell you the exact hour and minute that he arrived in theexact place that he arrived now. Do they know this from secret magical,hidden knowledge, some Dan Brown novel treasure chest some Indiana Jonessecret scroll, no, the Mercy Knights, aren't nostics what they believe isright in the first Christian Bible, and anybody can read it for themselves. Now.If I were an evangelical preacher on TV,...

...we would drag this out for a few daysor weeks and pump you for donations, maybe sell some books in videos. Maybesome trinkets really milk, this out before telling you what the answer isand how we found it, but where F, B N it's not how we operate besides. Thecredit goes to Chancellor Mitchell for telling me in the first place. So let'srecap quickly: We have our year of two thousand a nine, a D and our place ofCapernaum, as the gospel of the Lord says in that first sentence, now thefun part in the years that Jesus was on earth. There was only one total solareclipse in that region. Just one now, would you like to guess what year hadhappened? Yeah that would be two thousand a nine a d the month wasNovember. The Day was the twenty. Fourth. The time was eleven o five a m,and it lasted precisely one minute and...

...forty nine seconds. It was ninety fiveper cent visible from Jerusalem and one hundred per cent visible at the Sea ofGalilee. That's right right over Capernoity! This is an astronomicalfact that doesn't rely on stories or words. It just is, and if you don'tbelieve me, you can just go to the NASA website and look it up. Christmas isabout brotherhood and celebrating Jesus's time with US and there'snothing wrong with being with friends and family on December twenty fifth,but never forget what happened on November. Twenty fourth at eleven ofive, a m now the other questions we got this past week had to do with thelineage of the first Christians, these pre nicene Christians were firstconverted by the Apostle Paul, and most of them were Greek. If Not Jews.Learning about Greek culture, music,...

...history and language is a very goodidea. In fact, the First Bible in Paul's epistles were all written inGreek, not Hebrew. In fact, in the fourth century the Catholic Churchobtained copies of Paul's original epistles from the Marcionite Church.The pope at the time, had commissioned Saint Jerome to acquire copies andtranslate them all from the original Greek to Latin. What we know to day isthe Latin vulgate Bible. Now, surprisingly, the Vatican library stillmaintains the original documentation of the work done by Saint Jerome, whichspecifically references in names, Marciana Signup, and I love links inthe show notes. You can look at that. It's pretty interesting. Now the Biblewritten in Greek isn't the only place where language plays a roll. The oldestinscription in the world, bearing the name of Jesus, was found by two Frencharchaeologist in Syria in eighteen.

Seventy it was curved into the doorwayof an ancient Marcin Te Church and, yes, it was written in Greek and itdedicated the church with the words to our Lord and Saviour Jesus, the goodand it was inscribed with the year three eighteen, a d again we'll havelinks in the show notes now, as we close out to day's episode with somemusic that would have been heard by those pre nicene Christians aroundGreece and Italy. Just some quick housekeeping notes in a reminder thatyou can get all of our past fan episodes in video podcast or the listenlive stream at first Bible Network Com. It's also where you can leave a commentor question for the show in your own voice, just click record and you're allset. Now we also have extensive coverage of the ovid scam on the F B NNews Page be sure to book mark that, in fact, one of the stories that ef beuncovered was a couple towns in the US...

...that have succeeded. One is inCalifornia and they took the step after seeing no other way to escape theBolshevic tyranny of the coved cult on needle plunging nut jobs running thestate. Now we hope to see more of these secessions and it serves as a reminderto remove your children from the public schools get out of the big cities andreconnect with other unvaporized create a free, parallel society and finallyway under the Christmas tree. We see a gift with your name on the tag you mayhave noticed the fancy flip book. I was using at the beginning of the episodeto look at that opening sentence of the gospel of the Lord. It's pretty nicethat flip book, it's the complete pre Nicene Bible, has a clickable table ofcontents built in links and videos. The latest edition of the Study andReference Guide by Chancellor Mitchell...

...in the back. It's the whole Enchilada.It's now what we use here at F, B, n during research and production. It'sour go to Bible and even better. It's a stand alone, a windows version, so youdon't have to be online to use the flip book and it just came out it's free foranyone who bought a paper back or a hard cover version of the very firstBible, and I was able to talk them into adding our FBI, viewers and listenersto that list. To get it free I'll, have a link in the show noteswhere you can go and get your own copy, or you can just go to first Bible,Network Com and Click on the link. I'm Daran Kalam and we'll see you nexttime on. First News on the First Bible Network,...

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