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Marcionite Church Outreach Director Interviewed on the Free Thought Podcast

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Wide-ranging discussion with Darren Kelama, Outreach Director for the Marcionite Christian Church and host of FirstNews on FBN. Topics include Marcionism, the Tor Onion network, censorship, Wikipedia and the Covid scam.

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https://www.marcionitechurch.org

Hi every one you are listening to thefreethought podcast and to day I am talking with Daren Kalama of the MarcyNight Christian church, and it's just a free flowing conversation about whatthe Marcionite Christian church is views on the Covin, scam, R and whatmarcionism is in general. So I hope you enjoy here. It is sure. Well, I got my start with thechurch about roughly ten years ago I was in the air ambulance, businessbelieve it or not, and I was semi retired and I think in life when you're, semi retiredit gives you the opportunity to explore things, maybe that you hadthought about, but because you're on the the mouse wheel of life, you neverreally get the chance to explore further, and so I had that not rare but but unusual opportunity todo that, and one of the the questions throughoutmy life that always kind of nagged. At me, a littlebit was the whole issue of the Old Testament and how it related toCatholicism, and I had grown up as a Catholic, altar boy, Chicago really thewhole nine yards. I mean if you looked up Catholic guy, it would be a pictureof me but the the whole issue with the oldtestame, the Old Testament. God just never sat right with me. It just never madesense to me at all so long story short. I had the time to explore this further.This led me into someone named Marciano Signup, ahistorical figure which, in turn led me into the Mercian ite church, which Iwas surprised to find out, still exists and then that in turn led me to their founding doctrine in dogma, which is the firstChristian Bible, what we call the pre Nice Scene Bible or at the very firstBible, which was compiled or transcribed by Mercian of Sino back inone hundred and forty four a d and to bring the circle to its conclusion. He that First Bible did not contain an OldTestament, which you know there I was. I was like wellthis. This is what started me on the entire journey, and now I find out thatit was right to have these nagging thoughts about this Old Testament andthe did portrayed within it because it wasn't there in thebeginning. So that long story is how more or less kind of we got to thepoint where we are. I did get in touch with that church and because of my circumstances, I had theopportunity time to become their outreach director, which is my current capacity now andwhich I'm assuming is what we're shit chatting yeah yeah I mean I was during thiswhole ovid scam, I started thinking. Are there anychurches that have come out against the OVID BS and have made public statements,so I did a quick search on the Internet. Of course I had to use like doc, duc goor brave, search or something like that. But to see you know, churches and Ovidwere there any churches that hadn't any statements to do with Covin, and Ifound your church, the Marcionite Christian Church, and then I found abunch of podcast that you had been doing kind of explaining that theologybehind it and a lot of the stuff going on in the news lately and the MarcyUnite Christian churches take on everything- and I was just very intrigued and Ihave a podcast where I try to have on people that things like that. I getinterested in if I can reach out to them and they're willing to come on,and let me pick their brain for a while I'll talk to him, and so that's where Ireached out to you. So how long have you been doing likethe the online stuff? I know you got into Marcian or marcianise ten years ago,but the podcast thing seems more recent in my correct in that it's it is morerecent and it's it kind of gets us into the the double edged sword of Ovid, becauseI would have really. I would have nevergotten into this podcasting thing if it weren't, probably for the OVIDsituation and, to be honest, I'm a little bit sick of talking about Ovidjust- and this is no reflection on you, I'm just saying in general. I ambecause it I takes away from our...

...our core mission of what we do, whichis you know, bring people to the Church, etc, etc, but without the Ovid I don'tthink we would have had the the the spark of interest in the church that wehad because of our anti ovid position, our position against these iron, ainjections, our positions against the masks and the testing. So without that,I don't think we would have had this this, this spark of interest that we'vehad, but at the same time it does take away from our core mission. So again,it's kind of a double edged sword and I forgot what your question was: When didwe start about a year and a half ago, mainly for our own parishioners, to we have people, we don't havecentralized churches so to speak. We have what are called meeting houses. You know where you've got like ten orless people who will do a mass every week or meat and shit shed aboutscripture and they're all over the world, and the easiest way to keep intouch with them is through these podcasts and then the podcast started getting shared with otherpeople, and I don't know we. We started to pick up some, some pretty goodnumbers from that and as far as our mission with the Ovidgoes it's you know, I'm just kind of stunned ingeneral that were I maybe I don't get out enough, but itseems like we're. The only church. That's really forcefully come outagainst these, these vinos these vaccines, in nameonlight and that's stunning. To me I mean you got the Catholics Lutheransevangelicals Episcopalians. Not only are they not saying anything about it,they're outright endorsing it, you literally cannot go to the Vaticanwithout being vaccinated and showing your digital slave papers. Your vaccinecard, you literally, cannot go to the the Sistin Chapel without showing avaccine. Cart, there's just something fundamentally wrong with that it. In fact, you can't even work at theVatican without being vaccinate us the Swiss guards quit and mass because theywere given this mandate. I mean the whole, it's surreal, the levels thatthis has gotten to, so this should be a hint to people that something is fundamentally wrong here, but then we can take a step back and wecan civil wait what it is surreal. What what is this telling us? I think we canlook at this in a way as a kind of a litmus test, the churches that are endorsing thisendorsing these injections and the mass and the testing and going along withhaving their churches closed. That is a litmus test that shows us whoare these wolves in Shepherd's clothing? Who are these institutions that areleading the flock astray and there you have it any church that goesalong with this? Is it de facto at versus Christus? There's no debateabout so in any event, we're surprised at the amount of listeners that we get,but I pur on a personal level, I'm surprised and disappointed at the lackof churches that have spoken out. I can assure you, if you look at this fromthe thirty thousand foot view from the macro view. If the Catholic Church hadcome out against the vaccinations, the injections, thiswould have never happened. It would have been impossible to institute thison a worldwide scale if the Catholic Church had been opposed to it. If thepulpit stepped up or one of the popes had stepped up and said, it's adversusChristis we're not doing this. We're not we're not allowing our prishners tobe genetically altered over a ridiculous flu bug a rebranding of theflu we're not going to allow it. In fact, they could have gone pretty hard core on this and gonecrusader and said we're going to issue a general absolution to all Catholicsto do whatever it is that you have to do to fight this, and everyone knowswhat that means. You know it's a dog whistle, that's pretty loud and it says,put a stop to it right now or we're going to go crusade level and it wouldhave stopped but they're behind it. Not only are they behind it, they'reactively endorsing and marketing it. Itt is surreal. I is the only word thatI can come up with yeah yeah and it's...

...one thing to take an injection that youmay think may help you or you've done research on, but the idea of mandatingsomething has to be injected into your body in order to just be a normal humanin society is its very it's very strange that so many people endorsethat view. You know you mentioned the Mr n a injections, but I'm wonderingwhy why the focus just on Mra, I feel like if you're a Christian, your bodyis something either you can believe in the autonomy of your own body or youcould believe that your body is in some way Sacros, because it's given from God,why? Why not just any injection? Why doesn't the Martian night Christianchurch take an even stronger stance that says we are against all mandates?WHY JUST MRA? Is there something special about that? Well, we're the church from a doctrinal standpoint, isn'tagainst vaccines in general, we are against specifically these Arona covedvaccines and Nano Technology Vaccines. Anything that plays around with you ona genetic level and first of all, is an issue that needs tobe explored and looked at, but but moreover, beyond that it's the peoplebehind these injections, so you take those twothings together, one it's experimental and to the people that are behind itand funding it. These are not pleasant people. Theseare people who wake up in the morning and with theirFirst Cup of coffee, are thinking of new and interesting ways to controlpeople or depopulate the planet. So you know if someone like that comes upto me and says Gee, I want to inject you with something: Don't worry about.What's in it, it's experimental, but I have your best interest at heart. Iwant to save you from the flu that you have a ninety nine point: Nine ninepercent survival rate from anyway, but I need to save you from that point:Zero, zero, one percent chance that you know. I look at someone like that.I say you know get out of here: Yeah, it's it's insane to even entertain thethought and then to actively promote. It is just even beyond that level. So you know we're not a church. That is, you know we're here by circumstance.It's not like you know, we've been out, you know years out in the forefront,saying: Oh don't you know, maybe there's autism and this, and there maywell be, but in this particular circumstance the battle lines are clear:they're drawn so we're not a health oriented church, there's enough scripture to support what you should get behind or shouldn'tget behind, and this is one of the things that you definitely do not wantto get behind. Yeah Yeah. How many members would you estimate arepart of the March United Christian Church and where arts are theirheadquarters? I saw on a website that there's a address and where in grace,yeah well, the headquarters is an an Alexander Opolis, but t e the there is no centralized structure tothe church. It's all done the same, exact way that it was done. You know the first second and thirdcenturies, which was a meeting house and it could be. You know it doesn't have to be a fancyhouse either I mean as long as it can accommodate. We have a guide for thisby the way and a free online guide. As long as it can accommodate up to tenpeople, you can you know you can hold your mass in those structures. As faras we don't have exact numbers I can, I can tell you: is the outreach directorfor the Americas for the Western Hemisphere? You knowwith thousands and thousands of people, and one of one of the things thatthey're frustrated by is that we don't have centralized physical structures thatthey can go to and mass like another. You can't just point to a large citylike Chicago or at Louisville, or something and say you know, go to x andx street. You know, that's where the church is, it doesn't work that way. Itmay turn out by the way that ends up being a good thing, because in theatmosphere that we're in I'm not so sure that having a physical structureeis the safe way to go...

...there on average, there is a churchburning every day in this country, and the atmospheah Christian atmospherein general is pretty shocking. So I don't know thatwe would want our people in a centralized physical structure. Tobegin with, I think, for now the meeting houses are fine. People want toget together in these smaller cells or groups or meeting houses. I thinkthat's, that's probably the way to go right now, yeah yeah. That makes a lotof sense. I mean especially when you've gotgovernment saying hey, you can't meet any more, you can't go to church andwhat a better so versine way to do it than just meet in your own house yeah. I mean there's that and- and youknow with with these churches there- and I know it sounds extreme but n when they start pushing these IRNAinjections when they start closing their doors when they start agreeing tono singing no communion at mass when they start literally making lists oftheir parishioners and handing it over to the government. I got to say: Are you a church, or areyou a pizza hut at a suburban Strip mall, because I don't see thedifference right and and if they want to maintain their five or three C tax freestatus, they have to play these little games. So what they're doing is they're sayingessentially what they're saying is the money is more important to us than your eternal soul. Is Our parishionerand they've made their choice? Clear? In fact, not only are they choosing thegovernment money there? I don't know if you know this, but they're literallythrowing their doors open and creating mass vaccination centers in theirchurch. They are injecting people with this substance into their prisoners inside of theirchurch. No, I didn't know that it is it's it's.I can't even think of something more disgusting and blasphemous than thatand they're doing it. In fact, you know what it even gets better or worse the we use the term evangelicals and I'msure you're familiar with these are the people who prance around on television,the TV preachers, the fall wells, the hages. Some of these people have actuallygotten on television and said to their parishioners, and I quote: Jesus would have taken thevaccine and quote and then and then they'vealso made statements that these vaccines are quote unquote a gift fromGod. It is even even when you forget that every one of these or naace are ourpart and parcel of at minimum at minimum testing, with aborted fetal cell linesat minimum Yeh. Even if you discount, all of that, when you get into a who ispushing these injections and then be the genetic changes that happen as aresult of the injections. What we're talking about here is essentially circumcision, spiritual circumcision ina Syringe, it's cutting you off from God and atthe same time, it's offering Satan and invitation to come in after you'vesevered that connection with God. Now we're getting into some prettymetaphysical stuff here, but nobody Aaron Rolls out a world wideprogram like this shuts down the world economy and issues manned totallyillogical mandates over a flu bug. If there wasn't something more to it now, right you you, I don't care ifyou're a Bible, a thumper Bible believer or if you're, if you'reRichard Dawkins, if you're in a hardcore atheist, anybody with functioning brain cells is going to come to the conclusion thatthere is something else going on here. Well I mean it sure seems obvious to me. You know I don't know how deep you wantto get into that. Maybe you just want to stay focused on the mercy, Nat Angle,which iswe have a year and a half ago.

We in fact put out a press release andthe church banned these Arona and nanotech vaccines, and it turns outthat this got not only good attention but also a very negative attention tothe point where in fact, we just did a episode yesterday, dealing withsomething that just came up, which is, we were wicky slime. The church never had a wickie pagebefore and out of the blue. These shadowy people created a Wiki page just for theMarcine Church, just so they could smear it and they did spirit in waysthat mayor may not be that obvious, but I tried to address some of those in anepisode that we did yeah. I listened to that and I thoughtyou made some good points in there I mean they. They pointed off the factthat you guys have made a statement against Covin, nineteen and Maravaca,or I think they just said in the article coved vaccines and know no other and no other churchon the wikipedia site. Do they say anything health related about any anyother churches stance exactly yeah exactly and you know it it, and it's not it. There were twospecific slurs that they put in there that were especially egregious one was the non trinitarian. That is a kind of a dog whistle for theologians. That says these guys aretheir whack jobs. You know they're like the equivalent of scientologists orsomething. So there was that slur which was false, then the other one be, and I got to tell you I mean when Ifirst looked at the page, I thought yeah it could be worse, but then I sawthe crafty editing that went in there, especially when they, when they said that that pre nice Seine Biblethat the church follows was made up of something called the gospel of Marcion,which is just what and again they come up with this stuff and they do it for areason they do it because it it makes. You look like a cult, so it's done with with careful design.In fact, you know I don't know how far out and in the weeds you want to get onthis, but the editing that they do. There is very interesting in that it'ssimilar to the editing that was done to the Bible to portions of the NewTestament. Now, obviously, as Martinis, we reject the the Old Testament and, by the way, justa back track quickly on that wick article. They mentioned the fact thatwe reject the Old Testament, which is kind of true in a way it's not so orthat we reject that the Old Testament- God is being a Lesser God, I think, was their exact quote and that's kind of true ISS. In other words, we don't see the God depicted in theOld Testament as being a God. It's a deity. There is only one God, our God, theChristian God that was revealed to us through Jesus Christ. He wasn't God,our Christian God wasn't revealed to us through these scribblings of awandering desert tribe somewhere thousands of years ago he was onlyrevealed to us through Jesus Christ, so anything prior to Jesus Christ doesn'tapply to us. So people say well Durand why you know why isn't the Old Testament inthere? My answer would be for the same reasons that we don't have the book ofVishnu in there either or whatever the Indians use or or the book of Buddhayou'll find is also not in there. So these are extraneous religions that have nothing to do with us. The Jews have their deity and theirbook and they're welcome to it. We're just saying it's not what was revealed to us as being ourChristian God, your mother, and welcome to it nobody, and by the way this thisalso, I I you know, I'm surprised, I'm the one that's bringing it up, but one of the claims against Marcion andmarcionism is that he's an anti semi or that Marcionites hern anti semi.Nothing could be farther from the truth.

It would be like saying, were antiMicronesians, I mean we, it's just not not our book, not our God. That's youknow really all we're saying so again. You know I don't know wherewe're going on this on this conversation, but specifically with with you know, withwith with the Covin that's kind of where we're at we put out that pressrelease, and we did get that negative attention withwith the Wicki pedia incident. We also got some good attention. You know- and at this point also we cando. Is We issue our our members and their friends or people?They know we issue them religious exemptions. We don't charge for that. It's free,it's a complicated process on our end, to put those together and maintain a verification, hotline and database forthe people in that registry, but we've had success with that, especially people in the military. Acouple air force guys use our RELEGIO s exemption and we're able to stay awayfrom it now. This is all good. We've had these winds on the on the the war.You know on these mandates some places, though, typically where welose. We can't get any traction as with the testing and it's the testing where people are going to is really where the rubber meets theroad. We don't. We don't like this testing at all, and that's it's one ofthe things we banned a year and a half ago now you could say well why thetesting, why the mask? Why The you know the vaccines would kind of understand,but why all this other stuff? Well, it's all. If you were to look at itfrom from a biblical perspective, you think of the parable of the corrupttree, maybe you've heard of it. Maybe I haven't. Maybe your listeners havemaybe they haven't, but within the Bible. ERS Is parable of the corrupttree and one of the things they talk aboutis the corrupt tree cannot bear good fruit. In other words, anything thatcomes off of the Ovid scam is not going to be good fruit. So thetesting that you do as a result of the Ovid scan the the anti socialdistancing, the injections, the testing, there's no good- that can come from theunderlying core corrupt tree of the ovid scam. So we essentially bannedeverything that has anything to do with it and one of the those is the testingand we issued religious exemptions for the testingwhich, for the most part, I'll be honest with you- are not being acceptedby companies they're saying no, you have to get to have we don't care aboutyour religious perspective. You have to get tested anyway. We don't want ourpeople having objects, shoved up their nose. We don't know what's on thoseswaps now I don't want to sound like some. You know, whack job from theninth sphere of you know some other planet, but wedon't know. What's on those swabs, we don't know what's going to happen,maybe there's nothing on them. But what happens? You know at nine ten, twentythirty times, I haven't those things shoved up your nose for quote, unquote,testing. Well, we know one of the direct results of getting tested likethat is. Your DNA has just now been collected. Thank you very much and it's been collected using a government issued id go aheadand try getting one of these tests without using a government ID. So they haveyour ID, that's verified, they know who you are and when they pull that mucusout of your nasal cavity, they now have your DNA matched to that ID heart. So we you know, there's there's two levels.One is what's on the swab to begin with. The second is what happened to that DNAsample? We don't know, so we don't want our people havinganything to do with it. So long story, Short yeah. We issue these exemptions, they've been successful forthe most part, except for the testing area. The mass have been okay, the the vaccines have been. Exemptions havebeen okay, but were at the point now I'm going to be honest with you. We we're not sure that these exemptionsare even a good idea, any more and I'll. Tell You why? Because let's say you getthe exemption approved great confetty,...

...we're all happy celebration cool in thegang, but now you're in that, where you're one of the few people in thatworkplace with an exemption, you are now surrounded one hundred percentguaranteed by other people who have been quote unquote, vaccinated, they've,taken the RNA injection. Now, they're shedding, you don't know, look let mepack up here a little bit. We call these experimental injections, but they've been playing around withour NA technology for the last twenty years. So when they said well, we came up with itover a weekend at Amiril operation. What was it over speed? Whatever it is,and here it is miraculously suddenly and you can go ahead and take it. Wejust now invented it. No they've been playing with our NA for twenty years.We don't know, what's in that Syringe we don't know what it's going to do toyou after you've been injected with it. We do know that babies are being infected withsomething from their mother's breast milk. We know that women get aroundother women who have been injected and their menstrual period gets weird. Youknow these can just be anecdotal stories, but at the same time we don'tknow what this this stuff is doing. So you've now gotten the exemption. Happy Happy Joy, joy, you're in yourcube you're now around other people that have been vaxed for sure andthey're shedding on you, I'm not so sure, from a from a church perspective that we've reallydone you any favors now, but you know we do what we can and then we come back and we say you know by theway, try to stay away from people that have been injected. Try to stay awayfrom these shutters. The other issue is, they may take the exemption now, but they're doing it as part of a larger.What we call the BOA constrictor strategy, which is tight squeeze on man dates. Everybodymust get it. He then relax a little bit. Okay, well we'll take some exemptionshere and there then another tight squeeze on mandates and everybody mustget it and I think it's in large part. This is part of a psychological warfare. So they'll takethe exemption now, but then, like we stall with United Airlines a couplemonths later, they'll say: Yeah your exemptions, no good you're fired anyway,but but by accepting the e the exemption in the beginning, it made itlook like everything was still kind of normal. You know we're dealing withnormal people here, they're willing to accept exemptions this these aren'tcrazy, Vax Zombi, nut jobs that we can workwith these people, but really it was just a facade. It wasjust psychological warfare to make people think that and then, a couplemonths later, they dumped the exemptions and saidthey're no good you're fired by. So you know yeah, I don't have to I'm, not I'm not surewe're doing anyone any favors with these exemptions. Right right, I mean it's veryinteresting how it's all playing now and it's amazing that there's at leastone church that people can go to and you got a ton of media podcast videosto consume you've. Also, what I thought was reallycool was that you also have an an onion website, which you access through tour,which is like a browser that allows you to remain anonymous and then the onionwebsite, I believe, can't be shut down very easily and there's a like a forumon there, where you can interact with other people that seems to that seemsto have required a lot of force. I, when did you guys, come up with thatidea? Well, to be honest, you probably know moreabout it than I do yeah we set it up, but we haven't maintained it it's paidfor for like the next. However long it's set up, it's ready to go it's kindof our digital Alima. We fully anticipate that a lot of websites are going to be goingaway. There's going to be a shut down, there's going to be a purge and to get back on after that purgeyou're going to have to go through some kind of government process, some kindof vetting process to get your website back on for public viewing, and we feel that that's pretty muchinevitable. That's where things, because, because we know the kinds ofpeople that we're dealing with the same...

...people, we've dealt with for the lasttwo thousand years. We already know where they're going with this and and part of that is going to be a crackdown on the Internet. So we set up the tour site just in anticipation of whatwe already know is going to happen, and so our parishioners, who are alreadydecentralized, as we talked about with the meeting houses, they have this backup now that they can go to you know and still be able tocommunicate with us at the it at the church and then also with other parishoners with othermarcionites or other friends, and then we actually took it a level deeper thanthat than tour. The next level is something called Briar B R. I a r likethe Bush and that's a. let me just say it's it's not like spytech or spy war or anything like that, but it just allows you to have another layer even beyond tour interms of anonymity and keeping in touch with people. In other words, even ifthe entire Internet went not just DNS but and by the way, DNS is like youknow where we look at Anchor FM or March, and I church Dot Org. That'syour DNS! That's the name of your website and that's how your Ip addressis translated. Well, if they, if they junk the DNS portion of that your. If someone types in your name now theycan't get your website. So we're saying all that goes away. Howare people still going to get in touch with each other? What if they reallyhit the kill, switch and just knock everything out completely well withBriar? Your members can still be in touch with each other through bluetooth. So if you're, at least in the same area- and you have your blue toothon- you know- you're within, I don't evenknow what it is. I think it's like within a mile of another member they'llknow. Even if Internet is down now it's it's there's technology. Youknow as the as the as that BOA constrictor gets tighter. We we and others find ways to avoidthat authoritarian constriction, and you know it's not easy, but you knowlife finds a way we will find a way to do it. You know, is it you know. Let me say this one of the things you'll know and youyou mention that you've heard a few of our podcasts one of the things you'renot going to hear ever on any of the podcast. is me or anyone else beggingfor donations. So the church is not looking for donations, nor is FirstBible Network. We are self funded. The church, although not willing todivulge where that money comes from, is in a position where they can do thetype of digital outreach that they do and not have to rely on donations andnot have to rely on government money. Like you know, other churches do tomaintain tax free status, so there's Briart project the tour project. Thedigital outreach projects are all self funded, the only no I'll just leave it at that. I'lljust say, you know we're happy where we are. Our core mission is to get is tofree minds from that mental prison of that Old Testament in its did construct.I would say that as our number one mission, because from from cradle tograve people, are just you know that they're just inculcated with that thatbombardment of you know if you're a Christian, you have to believe in thisthis this crazy deity from the Old Testament that tells you to cut thehands off a woman if she touches someone the wrong way that you knowthese people having got into child sacrifice. So we I mean, if you want todo another podcast just on that I'd be more than happy to do it, but I'm notgoing to I'm not going to torture you too much with it right now, but noanyway, you know we. Let me just say on the tour thing, we're happy about it,we're aware of its existence. You know, I believe that there arepeople who go there every day and Chitchat or whatever it is they do onit, but it's really a digital animal so that when things do get bad and webelieve they will, our people have a place to go and, ofcourse we encourage them to go. Go there at least more often than I do,and you know get familiar with it, and you know what, at the very least, getfamiliar with tour, get familiar with...

...bitcoin get familiar with these. These toolsthat exist that will help you survive outside of the system, because the plugis going to be pulled on the system as we know it. Nick I mean you can stay indreamland all you want, or you can accept that fact and start looking atwhat your options are and what tools exist to help you achieve your goals and and there I wish there were more tools, butthere's enough out there, where you can make. If you want to you can disconnect-and you can do it- we're telling our people get your kids out of the publicschools, not tomorrow, not next week, not next month now do it first, do itnow get them out of the Public Schools? The second thing is get out of themajor cities. That is the last place that you want to be when, when boy, what's the, I don't want toget to do topic here when it really hits the fan, you do notwant to be in a city, so you want to be. You want to be out of the cities andyou want to be reconnected with other unvaccinated Christians. Now,preferably these are going to be other mercy nites, in other words, people who have the very first Bible that you know aren't into this OldTestament. Weird did from that book. But the point is you want to be aroundpeople similar to you when this happens, let me just say foranyone who's confused about theologically, where the church is orwhere we are. Our church is based on Sola Scriptura.So if it's not in that first pre nicing Bible of one a D, forty four ad- wedon't believe it so someone says well Marcion said this or he said that,first of all, every book and letter written byMarcion every one of them has been hunted downand burned. There is no written record of anything that he said. The onlything that we know about him was written by his enemies like Tertullian and Tuto through Tertullians attacks onMarcion. We get a glimpse of what Marcian mayor may not have believed.The problem is it's written by Marcions enemy? So you know we take a step backfrom that and say: Look we don't know what he believed, but what we do know is that, as aresult of his efforts, we have that first Christian Bible of hundred fortyfour a d. So I would just say it's important that people separate the twoMarciana is a historical figure. Who did amazing things? I mean I don't knowif people realize this, he retraced the postle pauls route through theknown world and re visited all of the churches that Paul set up and from each one of those visits ateach one of those churches and again remember. This is like a hundred thirty,a D hundred thirty five eigt. Through those visits he was able to collect theoriginal letters that Paul had sent to these churches after establishing them.We now to day, even in the Modern Bible, we now know those letters as Paul'sepistles, Galatians Romans, the Salonian Philippians, I'm sure you'veheard of them, so that's where they came from and they and that ten of those epistles and the gospel ofthe Lord are what comprise the First Bible and that's the Bible that theMarcionites believe in and that a lot of the other pre nice seen Christiansbelieve in, and I just wanted to say that just so people know that you knowthis is some cult that you know happened during a full moon last week.Okay, it's been around since hundred and forty four a D, and you know it's what's the word I'm looking for is aChicago and I would say it's legit. So if anyone wants to get that Bible, they can get it free atthe very first Bible, Dot Org. In fact, you literally at this point. You couldbe on any browser, safari, chrome, whatever and just type that in and yoursearch engine will find the very first Bible. So that's that's pretty much our story yeah, soso the very first Bible does that contain. I did download it. I haven'tread the whole thing yet, but there is...

...a gospel account in there where whatwho wrote that or is there any do they know? Who wrote that sure that that'sthat, in fact that was the issue that we had with that wikipedia article theyclaim all right. Let me back the truck up a little bit, our Bible or the first Bible that everexisted prior to the nice scene, Bible or the Modern Bible that everyone isfamiliar with now. The First Bible only consisted of the gospel of the Lord andthe Ten epistles from Paul that gospel of the l. There was nogospel of Mark Gospel of Lu Gospel of John Ax. Any of that Gospel of Matthew. It was only thegospel of the Lord and that Gospel came from the Apostle Paul people may befamiliar with this, but there's a story of Paul on the road to Damascusreceived a revelation, and it is that revelation. That is the gospel of the Lord. Inother words, this was Jesus telling Paul Giving Paul through revelation thestory that he was to tell to the gentiles to the rest of the world, so that when you read that and by theway you won't find the gospel of the Lord in the Modern Bible. It's notthere, but what's interesting. Is that all those other Gospel that thefour other Gospels and acts all contain? I really should do an episode on a Imay have touched on this, but all contain bits and pieces in one form oranother of that original gospel of the Lord and it's our contention and by theway, Mark and Luke those two gospels. Well, those two characters, those twopeople mark and Luke: They weren't apostles. They never metJesus. I don't know if people are aware of that. You know people think. Oh, theGospel of Mark Gospel, a Luke. They must have hung out with Jesus and brokebread. No, they never met him. They never knew him. They were not evenapostles but right. Here's where they come in both mark and Luke, were travelingcompanions of guess who the Apostle Paul. So when the Apostle Paul wasgoing out throughout the Roman Empire, setting up these churches, guess whowas tagging along with him mark and Luke and guess what ball themark and Luke did after they left traveling around with Paul. They bothwrote Gospels. Now you don't need to be Colombo, to figurethis out, so not only did luke and by the way you can look at Looloo at thefirst paragraph, a Luke Luke comes right out and says I I'm getting allthis second and third hand. I'm writing this to you most excellent Theopolis.Apparently he was writing. Luke is a letter, explanation of Christianity to someRoman magistrate or friend, or someone thathe knew you can read it yourself. I mean no one.No one's making this up, so the the lineage of these gospels isvery shaky. Very Shady. You know, were you just it's just so hard to explainto people what a relief it is to finally have some firm theologicalfooting to know where your Gospel came from to know. What's in your Bible, thepeople that are that are mentioned in it, you know we is Marcene. We don't haveto. You know, go! Oh my wife may have cheated on me, so I need her to eatthis dirt and then we'll do a ritual to see if she was telling the truth. Youknow all this cabalistic red heifers talking. Carp nonsense. We don't have to worry about that.Moreover, is Marcionites, we're not put in that uncomfortable position thatChristians are today where they have to defend the Jews. They have to go backand defend what happened in the Old Testament they're put in the positionof hand of having to defend a people in a deity that are completely alien to true Christianity. That's that's!That's a very sad position to be in so I would hope that if nothing else, we help people escape that mentalprison that there in yeah. Well I mean all you everythingyou've shared with me today is really interesting, and it's definitely a foodfor thought and I'm wondering is the...

...you know. I've read a few books at onewas by Bart de Airman and another by Bishop Pong and they talked about howthere was a common source, a Common Gospel which some of the other gospelwriters either copied from or partially copied, and they refer to that as likethe q document, is that does that have anything to do with the Marthe Gospel?That's in the Marcy Night Bible, I'm vaguely familiar with it. I thinkthey're, all a lot of the theologians. A lot of thehistorians are, or for whatever reason, right nowwrestling with this problem of the Gospels and they're having a very hard time. You know making sense of them and wherethey came from in their providence, and so q came up as a explanation forthings that don't make any sense, but they they don't need to invent.Just like we have our modern day Q that complete bullshit story. Well, the theque of two thousand years ago is the same kind of thing where you've gotthis mysterious hovering explanation for all that isunexplained and that's what they're trying to use QA and Q is like they're. You know therethey're there their touchstone that solves all of their problems in a in fact, if you look at at andapparently luke also wrote at well x was written as a way to tie up all the loose ends from all theother Gospels, where the the stories just didn't make any sense and that'swhat ax did is it kind of was his band aid that fixed everything for them?Theologically and Q is kind of the bandaid for the theologians to fixthings that don't make sense for them when, when there's no need to go through alot of all of these mental contortions, there's no need for all the gymnastics.alls they have to do is literally pick up the very first Bible. Everything isanswered there. I'll give you an example, one of the biggest debates that peoplehave is the lineage of Jesus Christ. Where you know was he a Jew? Where didhe? You know he can't it's all answered, literally in the first sentence of thefirst paragraph of the Gospel of the Lord and its examples like that ofwhere a lot of this mystery is just dealtwith. There's there's really no need for our again. What this gets back tois what I was saying before, which is the sense of relief. You feel once you realize what you are lookingfor. Not only is there, but it's been there. The entire time well think aboutthe enemies that this creates with the Judi isers over the last two thousandyears. Just I mean it has been relentless the way that they'veattacked not only Christians in general but Marcionites, specifically, they wentafter them hammer and Tong after the council of Nicea and Three D, twentyfive Ad. That's really that was the death now for the Marcine and a lot ofthe other pre nicing churches, and you know, with with the power of the RomanEmpire, the Judi isers had their day. You know things. We could do a wholeother episode on this, but things really looked up for these firstChristians. These pre nicing Christians, I would say their golden age- was about forty eight ad to threetwenty four eighty, because in forty eight at there was something called thecouncil of Jerusalem and it was at that council of Druis Jerusalem, where allof these Judaic weird traditions were thrown into the theological dumpster.This whole barking at the Moon, full moon holidays, the six hundred thirteenHebrew laws, all of that were thrown out the apostles got together and said:Look we can't we're. This has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, we're notgoing to be getting any new Christians based on this. We might as well justbecome a messianic Jew cult. If we're going tokeep all these weird Jewish t, traditions, which is true, so they got rid of themin forty eight ad, so that began the golden age for the pre nicingChristians, and then we had the...

...complete disaster of three twenty five at at the Council ofNICEA. That was, I would say, I mean if you had to look at a timeline, I wouldsay probably just the worst day ever. was that counseland it just it's- and it's from that mistake that it's that you know we were talkingabout corrupt trees earlier? That is your corrupt tree right there, thecouncil of NICEA- and it is from that corrupt tree- that we've gotten thisbad fruit. Well, what happened at the council andwe may, if you don't have time, we may have to do another podcast some time,but it is that when they decided what the twenty seven books of the NewTestament are going to be or yeah well yeah that that that's part of it, it'sa it's really! It's it's a great story, it's also a longstory. But let me let me just shorten it just a little bit and just say this:the First Bible that I talked about had one gospel of the Lord and ten books after the Council of NICEA, it Baloon to four gospels plus axe and seventy two books so or sixty six books, depending on howyou want to cut the cake, but that that should be a representationfor you, mathematically of had a power outage, hopefully you'restill there. I can here. Okay, I have, I have backup for everythingexcept this Mike so whatever so we went from one Gospel and ten books and balloonedafter the Council of Nicea to four Gospels plus acts, and seventy twobooks now is: Do we have all these extra books because Jesus made extratrips that had to be accounted for and written down and talked about? No all this material came from somewhere else came from theJudy isers. This Modern Bible that people read right now contains lessthan three percent of Jesus's actual words. The rest is fluff, so I would say if people really want toget back in touch with a reconnect with Christianity as it was as it was meantto be, you don't even have to join the mercy Anie Church. All you have to dois pick up a copy of that First Bible, and it will act as a is a cryptographic key I'll tell you. Iknow this sounds weird, but when I have extra time I love to take the firstBible and then compare it to the other gospels or what I find in theModern Bible, and I can literally see where they did the editing how they didthe editing, the message that they were trying to interweave with this parableor that story, it's really it's I mean it'll, make a theologian out of a outof Joe six pack, it's that interesting. So that would be my final word and bythe way, if you want to do another show on just on the Council of Nicea, I think it would be worth your time to doit. Okay, yeah I'll, consider that and dare- and I just really want to thankyou for your time today and sharing all the information with us, and I I'mlooking forward to putting this out there all right. I appreciate it andyeah any time happy to do it thanks.

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