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Marcionite Church Outreach Director Interviewed on the Free Thought Podcast

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Wide-ranging discussion with Darren Kelama, Outreach Director for the Marcionite Christian Church and host of FirstNews on FBN. Topics include Marcionism, the Tor Onion network, censorship, Wikipedia and the Covid scam.

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Hi Everyone. You are listening tothe free thought podcast and today I am talking with Darren Klama of the MarcioniteChristian church, and it's just a free flowing conversation about what the Marcianit Christianchurches views on the Covid scam are and what Marcianight ISM is in general.So I hope you enjoy here. It is sure well. I got mystart with the church about roughly ten years ago. I was in the airambulance business, believe it or not, and I was semi retired and Ithink in life when your semi retired it gives you the opportunity to explore thingsmaybe that you would thought about but because you're on the the mouse wheel oflife, you never really get the chance to explore further. And so Ihad that not rare but but unusual opportunity to do that. And one ofthe questions throughout my life that always kind of nagged at me a little bitwas the whole issue of the Old Testament and how it related to Catholicism.And I had grown up as a Catholic altraboy Chicago, really the whole nineyards. I mean, if you looked up Catholic guy, it would bea picture of me. But the the whole issue with the Old Testament,at the Old Testament, that God just never sat right with me. Itjust never made sense to me at all. So, long story short, Ihad the time to explore this further. This led me into someone named Marcianof Sino, but historical figure, which in turn led me into theMercian I church, which I was surprised to find out still exists, andthen that in turn led me to their founding doctrine and dogma, which isthe first Christian Bible, what we call the pre Nice Scene Bible, orthe very first Bible, which was compiled or transcribed by Mercian of Sigino backin one hundred and forty four a D and, to bring the circle toits conclusion, he that First Bible did not contain an Old Testament, which, you know, there I was. I was like, well, thisthis is what started me on the entire journey, and now I find outthat it was right to have these nagging thoughts about this Old Testament and inthe ded portrayed within it, because it wasn't there in the beginning. Sothat long story is how, more or less kind of we got to thepoint where we are. I did get in touch with that church and becauseof my circumstances, I had the opportunity time to become their outreach director,which is my current capacity now and which I'm assuming is why we're Chit chatting. Yeah, yeah, I mean I was during this whole covid scam.I I started thinking, are there any churches that have come out against theCOVID BS and have made public statements? So I did a quick search onthe Internet. Of course had to use like Duc duc go or brave searchor something like that, but to see, you know, churches and Covid.Were there any churches that had n't any statements to do with covid?And I found your church, the Marcianite Christian Church, and then I founda bunch of podcast that you had been doing kind of explaining the theology behindit and a lot of the stuff going on in the news lately and theMarcianite Christian churches take on everything, and I was just very intrigued and Ihave a podcast where I try to have on people that things like that Iget interested in. If I can reach out to them and they're willing tocome on and let me pick their brain for a while, I'll talk tohim and so that's where I reached out to you. So how long haveyou been doing like the the online stuff? I know you got into more ourseeing night or marcianism ten years ago, but the podcast thing seems more recent. In might correct in that it's it is more recent and it's itkind of gets us into the the double edged sword of Covid, because Iwould have really I would have never gotten into this podcasting thing if it weren'tprobably for the COVID situation. And to be honest, I'm a little bitsick of talking about covid just and this is no reflection on you, I'mjust saying in general, I am because it takes away from our our coremission of what we do, which is,...

...you know, bring people to thechurch, etc. Etc. But without the COVID I don't think wewould have had the the the spark of interest in the church that we hadbecause of our anti covid position. Our position against these RNA injections, arepositions against the masks and the testing. So without that I don't think wewould have had this, this this spark of interest that we've had, butat the same time it does take away from our core mission. So againit's kind of a double edged sword. And I forgot what your question was. When did we start? About a year and a half ago, mainlyfor our own parishioners to we we have people. We don't have centralized churches, so to speak. We have what are called meeting houses, you know, where you've got like ten or less people who will do a mass everyweek or meat and shit chat about scripture, and they're all over the world andthe easiest way to keep in touch with them is through these podcasts.And then the podcast started getting shared with other people and I don't know,we we started to pick up some some pretty good numbers from that. Andas far as our mission with the COVID goes, it's you know, I'mjust kind of stunned in general that we're I'd maybe I don't get out enough, but it seems like we're the only church that's really forcefully come out againstthese these vinos, these vaccines in name homely, and that stunning to me. I mean you got the Catholics, Lutheran's evangelicals, episcopalians. Not onlyare they not saying anything about it, they're outright endorsing it. You literallycannot go to the Vatican without being vaccinated and showing your digital slave papers,your vaccine card. You literally cannot go to the Assistine Chapel without showing avaccine card. There's just something fundamentally wrong with that. It in fact,you can't even work at the Vatican without being vaccine. At the is theSwiss guards quit and mass because they were given this mandate. I mean thewhole it's surreal the levels that this has gotten to. So this should bea hint to people that something is fundamentally wrong here. But then we cantake a step back and we can say, well, wait, what, itis surreal? What what is this telling us? I think we canlook at this in a way as a kind of a litmus test the churchesthat are endorsing this, endorsing these injections and the mass and the testing andgoing along with having their churches closed. That is a litmus test that showsus who are these wolves in Shepherd's clothing? Who are these institutions that are leadingthe flock astray? And there you have it. Any church that goesalong with this. Is it de facto adversus Christus. There's no debate aboutit. So in any event, we're surprised at the amount of listeners thatwe get, but I on a personal level, I'm surprised and disappointed atthe lack of churches that have spoken out. I can assure you, if youlook at this from the Thirtyzero foot view, from the macro view,if the Catholic Church had come out against the vaccinations, the injections, thiswould have never happened. It would have been possible to institute this on aworldwide scale if the Catholic Church had been opposed to it, if the popeit's stepped up or one of the popes had stepped up and said it's aidversus Christus. We're not doing this. We're not. We're not allowing ourparishioners they be genetically altered over a ridiculous flu bug, a rebranding of theflu. We're not going to allow it. In fact, they could have gonepretty hardcore on this and Gone Crusaderville and said we're going to issue ageneral absolution to all Catholics to do whatever it is that you have to doto fight this, and everyone knows what that means. You know you it'sit's a dog whistle that's pretty loud and it says put a stop to itright now or we're going to go crusade level and it would have stopped.But they're behind it. Not only are they behind it, they're actively endorsingand marketing it. It is surreal,...

...is the only word that I cancome up with. Yeah, and it's one thing to take an injection thatyou may think may help you or you've done research on, but the ideaof mandating something has to be injected into your body in order to just bea normal human and societies is very it's very strange that so many people endorsethat view. You know, you mentioned the Mrna injections, but I'm wonderingwhy the focus just on Mrna? I feel like if you're a Christian,your body is something. Either you can believe in the autonomy of your ownbody or you could believe that your body is in some way sacro saying becauseit's given from God. Why? Why not just any injections? Why doesn'tthe Martian night Christian church take an even stronger stance that says, we areagainst all mandates. WHY JUST MRNA? Is there something special about that?Well, we're the the church. From a DOC doctrinal standpoint, isn't againstvaccines in general. We are against specifically these RNA covid vaccines and nanotechnology vaccines, anything that plays around with you on a genetic level. And, firstof all, is an issue that needs to be explored and looked at.But but moreover, beyond that, it's the people behind these injections. Soyou take those two things together. One, it's experimental and too, the polethat are behind it and funding it. These are not pleasant people. Theseare people who wake up in the morning and, with their first cupof coffee, are thinking of new and interesting ways to control people or depopulatethe planet. So you know, if someone like that comes up to meand says, Gee, I want to inject you with something, don't worryabout what's in it. It's experimental, but I have your best interest atheart. I want to save you from the flu that that you have aninety nine point ninety nine percent survival rate from anyway, but I need tosave you from that point zero, zero, one percent chance that. You know, I look at someone like that, I say, you know, getout of here. Yeah, it's it's insane to even entertain the thoughtand then to actively promote it is just even beyond that level. So,you know, we're not a church that is you know, we're here bycircumstance. It's not like, you know, we've been out, you know,years, out in the forefront saying, Oh, don't you know, maybethere's autism in this, and there may well be, but in thisparticular circumstance, the the the battle lines are clear, they're drawn. Sowe're not a health oriented church. There's an a scripture to support what youshould get behind or shouldn't get behind, and this is one of the thingsthat you definitely do not want to get behind. Yeah, yeah, howmany members would you estimate are part of the Marcia and night Christian Church?And where arts are their headquarters? I saw on a website that there's anaddress somewhere in Greece. Yeah, well, the headquarters is an end Alexandropolis,but the the there is no centralized structure to the church. It's alldone the same exact way that it was done, you know, the first, second and third centuries, which was a meeting house and it could be, you know, it doesn't have to be a fancy house either. Imean as long as they can accommodate we have a guide for this, bythe way, and free online guide. As long as it can accommodate upto ten people, you can, you know, you can hold your massin those structures. As far as we don't have exact numbers, I canI can tell you as the outreach director for the America's for the Western Hemisphere. You know, we thousands and thousands of people and one of one ofthe things that they're frustrated by is that we don't have centralized physical structures thatthey can go to end mass like an others. You can't just point toa large city like Chicago or at Louisville or something and say, you know, go to x and x street, you know that's where the church is. It doesn't work that way. It may turn out, by the way, that ends up being a good thing because in the atmosphere that we're in, I'm not so sure that having a physical structure is the safe way togo. They're on average there is a...

...church burning every day in this countryand the ATMOSH, the Anti Christian atmosphere in general is pretty shocking. SoI don't know that we would want our people in a centralized physical structure tobegin with. I think for now the meeting houses are fine. People wantto get together in these smaller cells or groups or meeting houses. I thinkthat's that's probably the way to go right now. Yeah, yeah, thatmakes a lot of sense, I mean, especially when you've got government saying hey, you can't meet anymore, you can go to church. And whata better subversive way to do it than just meeting your own house? Yeah, I mean there's that and and you know, with with these churches there, and I know it sounds extreme, but when they start pushing these RNAinjections, when they start closing their doors, when they start agreeing to no singing, no communion at mass, when they start literally making lists of theirparishioners and handing it over to the government, I got to say, are youat Church or are you a pizza hut at a suburban Strip mall?Because I don't see the difference right. And and if they want to maintaintheir five o three seat tax free status, they have to play these little games. So what they're doing is they're saying. Essentially, what they're sayingis the money is more important to us than your eternal soul as our parishioner. And they've made their choice clear. In fact, not only are theychoosing the government money there, I don't know if you know that's but they'reliterally throwing their doors open and creating mass vaccination centers in their church. Theyare injecting people with this substance into their parishioners inside of their church. No, I didn't know that at is. It's, it's, it's I can'teven think of something more disgusting and blasphemous than that. And they're doing it. In fact, you know what, it even gets better it or worse. The we use the term evangelicals, and I'm sure you're familiar with thethese are the the people who prance around on television, the TV preachers,the fall wells, the heygees. Some of these people have actually gotten ontelevision and said to their parishioners, and I quote, Jesus would have takenthe vaccine and quote, and then. And then they've also made statements thatthese vaccines are, quote unquote, a gift from God. It is eveneven when you forget that every one of these are any vaccines, are theare part and parcel of at minimum, at minimum testing with aborted fetal celllines at minimum, even if you discount all of that, when you getinto a who is pushing these injections? And then be the genetic changes thathappen as a result of the injections. What we're talking about here is essentiallycircumcision, spiritual circumcision in a syringe. It's cutting you off from God andat the same time it's offering Satan and invitation to come in after you've severedthat connection with God. Now we're getting into some pretty metaphysical stuff here.But nobody, Aaron rolls out a worldwide program like this, shuts down theworld economy and issues mandate it totally illogical mandates over a flu bug, ifthere wasn't something more to it. Now, right, you, you. Idon't care if you're a Bible a thumper Bible Believer, or if you'reif you're Richard Dawkins, if you're in a hardcore atheist, anybody with functioningbrain cells is going to come to the conclusion that there is something else goingon here. Well, I mean it sure seems obvious to me. Youknow, I don't know how deep you want to get into the maybe youjust want to stay focused on the marcion eight angle, which is we have. A year and a half ago,...

...we in fact put out a pressrelease and the church band these RNA and nanotech vaccines, and it turns outthat this got not only good attention but also very negative attention, to thepoint where, in fact, we just did a episode yesterday dealing with somethingthat just came up, which is we were wikis timed. The church neverhad a Wiki page before and out of the blue, these shadowy people createda wiki page just for the Marcy Night Church just so they could smear it, and they did smear it in ways that Mayri may not be that obvious, but I tried to address some of this in an episode that we did. Yeah, I listened to that and I thought you made some good pointsin there. I mean they they pointed out the fact that you guys havemade a statement against covid nineteen and rn a vaccines, or I think theyjust said in the article covid vaccines, and you know no other and noother church on the wikipedia site. Do they say anything health related about anytrue any other churches. Stands exactly. Yeah, exactly, and you knowit. It and it's not it. There were two specific slurs that theyput in there that were especially egregious. One was the non Trinitarian. Thatis a kind of a dog whistle for theologians that says these guys are theirwhack jobs, you know, they're like the equivalent of scientologists or something.So there was that slur, which was false. Then the other one because, and I got to tell you, I mean when I first looked atthe page, I thought it could be worse, but then I saw thecrafty editing that went in there, especially when they when they said that thethat Prett Nice Sen Bible that the church follows was made up of something calledthe gospel of Marcion, which is just what and again they come up withthis stuff and they do it for a reason. They do it because itit makes you look like a cult. So it's done with with careful design, in fact, you know, I don't know how far out. Andthen the weeds you want to get on this, but the editing that theydo there is very interesting in that it it's similar to the editing that wasdone to the Bible, two portions of the New Testament. Now, obviously, as Marcy Knights, we reject the the Old Testament. And, bythe way, just a backtrack quickly on that wiki article, they mentioned thefact that we reject the Old Testament, which is kind of true in away. It's not some or that we reject that the Old Testament God isbeing a lesser God, I think was our exact quote, and that's kindof true ish. In other words, we don't see the God depicted inthe Old Testament is being a god. It's a deity. There is onlyone God, our God, the Christian God, that was revealed to usthrough Jesus Christ. He wasn't God. Our Christian God wasn't revealed to usthrough the scribblings of a wandering desert tribe somewhere thousands of years ago. Hewas only revealed to US through Jesus Christ. So anything prior to Jesus Christ doesn'tapply to us. So people say, well, Darren, why you know, why isn't the Old Testament in there? My answer would be forthe same reasons that we don't have the book of Vishnu in there either.Or whatever the Indians use, or or the book of Buddha, you'll find, is also not in there. So these are extraneous religions that have nothingto do with us. The Jews have their deity and their book and they'rewelcome to it. We're just saying it's not what was revealed to us asbeing our Christian God. You're more than welcome to it. Nobody. Andby the way, this this also I you know, I'm surprised, I'mthe one that's bringing it up, but one of the claims against Marcion andMarcianism is that he's an anti semid or that Marcia and its here a antisemi. Nothing could be farther from the...

...truth. It would be like sayingwe're anti Microhnesians. I mean we, we it's just not not our book, not our God. That's, you know, really all we're saying.So again, you know, I don't know where we're going on this,on this conversation, but specifically with with, you know, with with with thecovid that's kind of where we're at. We put out that press release andwe did get that negative attention. With with the wikipedia incident. Wealso got some good attention, you know, and at this point all we cando is we issue our our members and their friends or people they know, we issue them religious exemptions. We don't charge for that. It's free. It's a complicated process on our end to put those together and and maintaina verification hotline and database for the people in that registry, but we've hadsuccess with that, especially people in the military. A couple air force guysuse our religious, religious exemption and we're able to stay away from it.Now. This is all good. We've had these winds ends on the onthe war, you know, on these mandates. Some places, though,typically where we lose. We can't get any traction, as with the testing, and that's the testing where people are going to is really where the rubbermeets the road. We don't we don't like this testing at all, andthat's it's one of the things we banned a year and a half ago.Now. You could say, well, why the testing? Why the masks? Why The you know, the vaccines? Would kind of understand, but whyall this other stuff? Well, it's all if you were to lookat it from from a biblical perspective, you think of the parable of thecorrupt tree. Maybe you've heard of it, maybe you haven't, maybe your listenershave, maybe they haven't, but within the Biblers is parable of thecorrupt tree and one of the things they talked about is the corrupt tree cannotbear good fruit. In other words, anything that comes off of the covidscam is not going to be good fruit. So the testing that you do asa result of the covid scam, the so the antisocial distancing, theinjections, the testing, there's no good that can come from the underlying corecorrupt tree of the covid scam. So we essentially banned everything that has anythingto do with it, and one of the those is the testing. Andwe issued religious exemptions for the testing, which, for the most part,I'll be honest with you, are not being accepted by companies. They're sayingno, you have to get that. We don't care about your religious perspective. You have to get tested in anyway. We don't want our people having objectsshoved up their nose. We don't know what's on those swabs. NowI don't want to sound like some you know, whack job from the ninthsphere of you know, some other planet. But we don't know what's on thoseswabs. We don't know what's going to happen. Maybe there's nothing onthem. But what happens? You know, at nine, ten, twenty,thirty times I have those things shoved up your nose for quote unquote testing. Well, we know one of the direct results of getting tested like thatis your DNA has just now been collected, thank you very much, and it'sbeen collected using a government issued ID. Go ahead and try getting one ofthese tests without using a government ID. So they have your ID, that'sverified, they know who you are and when they pull that mucus outof your nasal cavity, they now have your DNA matched to that ID car. So we you know there's there's two levels. One is what's on theswab to begin with. The second is what happened to that DNA sample.We don't know. So we don't want our people having anything to do withit. So, long story short, yeah, we issue these exemptions.They've been successful for the most part, except for the testing area. Themass have been okay, the the vaccines have been exemptions have been okay.But we're at the point now I'm going to be honest with you. Wewe're not sure that these exemptions are even a good idea anymore, and I'lltell you why. Because, let's say you get the exemption approved. Great, Confetti, we're all happy, celebration,...

...cool in the gang. But nowyou're in that where you're one of the few people in that workplace withan exemption. You are now surrounded, one hundred percent guaranteed, by otherpeople who have been, quote unquote, vaccinated. They've taken the RNA injection. Now they're shedding. You don't know. Look, let me back up herea little bit. We call these experimental injections, but they've been playingaround with RNA technology for the last twenty years. So when they said,well, we came up with it over a weekend, it's a miracle operation. What was it? Overspeed, whatever it is, and here it ismiraculously suddenly and you can go ahead take it. We just now invented it. Now they've been playing with our and a for twenty years. We don'tknow what's in that syringe. We don't know what it's going to do toyou after you've been injected with it. We do know that babies are beinginfected with something from their mother's breast milk. We know that women get around otherwomen who have been injected and their menstrual period gets weird. You know, these can just be anecdotal stories, but at the same time we don'tknow what this this stuff is doing. So you've now gotten the exemption.Happy, happy, joy, joy. You're in your cube. You're nowaround other people that have been vaxed, for sure, and they're shedding onyou. I'm not so sure from a from a church perspective, that we'vereally done you any favors now, but you know, we do what wecan and then we come back and we say, you know, by theway, try to stay away from people that have been injected. Try tostay away from these shutters. The other issue is they may take the exemptionnow, but they're doing it as part of a larger what we call theBOA constrictor strategy, which is tight squeeze on mandates. Everybody must get it. Then relax a little bit. Okay, well, we'll take some exemptions hereand there, then another tight squ we's on mandates and everybody must getit. And I think it's in large part this is part of a psychologicalwarfare. So they'll take the exemption now, but then, like we saw withthe United Airlines, a couple months later they'll say, yeah, yourexemptions no good, you're fired anyway. But but by accepting the exist theexemption in the beginning, it made it look like everything was still kind ofnormal. You know, we're dealing with normal people here. They're willing toaccept exemptions this. These aren't crazy VACs, Zombie nut jobs, that we canwork with these people. But really it was just a facade. Itwas just psychological warfare to make people think that, and then a couple monthslater they dumped the exemptions and said they're no good, you're fired by soyou know, yeah, I don't know, I'm not sure. I'm not surewe're doing anyone any favors with these exemptions. Right, right. Imean, it's very interesting how it's all playing out and it's it's amazing thatthere's at least one shirt that people can go to and you've got a tonof media, podcast videos to consume, and you've also what I thought wasreally cool was that you also have an an onion website which you access throughtour, which is like a browser that allows you to remain anonymous. Andthen the onion website, I believe can't be shut down very easily and there'sa like a forum on there where you can interact with other people. Thatseems to that seems to have required a lot of force. When did youguys come up with that idea? Well, to be honest, you probably knowmore about it than I do. Had we set it up, butwe haven't maintained it's paid for for like the next however long it's set up. It's ready to go. It's kind of our digital Alamo. We fullyanticipate that a lot of websites are going to be going away, there's goingto be a shutdown, there's going to be a purge and to get backon after that purge you're going to have to go through some kind of governmentprocess, I'm kind of vetting process, to get your website back on forpublic viewing, and we feel that that's pretty much inevitable. That's where thingsbecause because we know the kinds of people that we're dealing with, the samepeople we've dealt with for the last two...

...thousand years. We already know wherethey're going with this and and part of that is going to be a crackdownon the Internet. So we set up the tour site just in anticipation ofwhat we already know is going to happen. And so our parishioners, who arealready decentralized, as we talked about with the meeting houses, they havethis backup now that they can go to, you know, and still be ableto communicate with us at the at the church, and then also withother parishioners, with other mercy units or other friends, and then at weactually took it a level deeper than that, then tour. The next level issomething called Briar br I a are like the Bush, and that's alet me just say it's it's not like spytach or spy where or anything likethat, but it just allows you to have another layer even beyond tour,in terms of anonymity and keeping in touch with people. In other words,even if the entire Internet went not just DNS, but, and by theway, DNS is like, you know, where we look at Anchor FM orMarcy and I church Doog, that's your DNS, that's the name ofyour website and that's how your Ip address is translated. Well, if theyif they junk the DNS portion of that your if someone types in your namenow, they can't get to your website. So we're saying all that goes away. How are people still going to get in touch with each other?What if they really hit the kill switch and just knock everything out completely?Well, with Briar your members can still be in touch with each other throughBluetooth. So if you're at least in the same area and you have yourBluetooth on, you know you're within I don't even know what it is.I think it's like within a mile of another member. They'll know even ifInternet is down. So it's it's there's technology. You know, as theas the as that BOA constrictor gets tighter, we, we and others find waysto avoid that a there authoritarian constriction, and you know it's not easy,but you know, life finds a way. We will find a wayto do it. You know, is it? You know? Let mesay this, mm. One of the things you'll know, and you mentionedthat you've heard a few of our podcasts. One of the things you're not goingto hear, ever, on any of the podcast is me or anyoneelse begging for donations. So the church is not looking for donations, noris First Bible Network. We are self funded. The church, although notwilling to divulge where that money comes from, is in a position, Shan wherethey can do the type of digital outreach that they do and not haveto rely on donations and not have to rely on government money like you knowother churches do to maintain tax free status. So there's brier project, the tourproject, the digital outreach projects are all self funded. The only nowI'll just leave it at that. I'll just say, you know, we'rehappy where we are. Our core mission is to get is two free mindsfrom that mental prison of that Old Testament and its deity construct. I wouldsay that as our number one mission because from from cradle to grave, peopleare just you know that they're just inculcated with that that bombardment of you know, if you're Christian, you have to believe in this this this crazy deityfrom the Old Testament that tells you to cut the hands off a woman ifshe touches someone the wrong way. That, you know, these people who'ven gotinto child sacrifice. So we I mean, if you want to doanother podcast just on that I'd be more than happy to do it, butI'm not going to. I'm not going to torture you too much with itright now, but no, anyway, you know we, let me justsay on the tour thing, we're happy about it. We're aware of itsexistence. Do you know, I believe that there are people who go thereevery day and Chit Chat or whatever it is they do on it, butit's really a digital alimo so that when things do get bad, and webelieve they will, our people have a place to go and of course weencourage them to go go there at least more often than I do. And, you know, get familiar with it and you know what, at thevery least, get familiar with tour,...

...get familiar with Bitcoin, get familiarwith these these tools that exist that will help you survive outside of the system, because the plug is going to be pulled on the system as we knowit next. I mean, you can stay in dreamland all you want oryou can accept that fact and start looking at what your options are and whattools exist to help you achieve your goals. And and there I wish there weremore tools, but there's enough out there where you can may if youwant to, you can disconnect and you can do it. We're telling ourpeople, get your kids out of the public schools, not tomorrow, notnext week, not next month, now, do it first. Do it now. Get them out of the public schools. The second thing is getout of the major cities. That is the last place that you want tobe when, when, boy, what's the I don't want to get toodystopic here. When it really hits the fan, you do not want tobe in a city. So you want to be you want to be outof the cities and you want to be reconnected with other unvaccinated Christians. Now, preferably these are going to be other mercy and I its, in otherwords, people who have the very first Bible that you know aren't into thisOld Testament Weird Deity from that book. But the point is you want tobe around people similar to you when this happens. I let me just sayfor anyone who's confused about theologically, where the church is or where we are. Our church is based on Solo Scriptura. So if it's not in that firstpre nicene Bible of one hundred forty four a d we don't believe it. So someone says, well, Marcion said this or he said that.First of all, every book and letter written by Marcion, every one ofthem, has been hunted down and burned. There is no written record of anythingthat he said. The only thing that we know about him was writtenby his enemies, like Tertullian, and, true to through Tertullian's attacks on mercyon we get a glimpse of what Marcion may or may not have believed. Problem is it's written by Marcion's enemy. So, you know, we takea step back from that and say look, we don't know what hebelieved, but what we do know is that, as a result of hisefforts, we have that first Christian Bible of one hundred and forty four ad. So I would just say it's important that people separate the two.Marcion is a historical figure who did amazing things. I mean, I don'tknow if people realize this. He retraced the Apostle Paul's route through the knownworld and revisited all of the churches that Paul set up and from each oneof those visits at each one of those churches and again, remember, thisis like a hundred thirty e D hundred eighty. Through those visits he wasable to collect the original letters that Paul had sent to these churches after establishingthem. We now today, even in the Modern Bible, we now knowthose letters as Paul's epistles. Galatians, Romans, the Salonians, Philippians,I'm sure you've heard of them. So that's where they came from and theyand that ten of those epistles and the gospel of the Lord are what comprisethe First Bible, and that's the Bible that the Marcianites believe in and thata lot of the other pretty nice seen Christians believe in. And I justwanted to say that just so people know that. You know, this isthe some cult that you know, happened during a full moon last week.Okay, it's been around since one hundred and forty four a D and Youknow it's what's the word I'm looking for is a Chicago, and I wouldsay it's legit. So if anyone wants to get that Bible, they canget it free at the very first Bible Dot Org. In fact, youliterally at this point, you could be on any browser, safari, chrome, whatever, and just type that in and your search engine will find thevery first Bible. So that's that's pretty much our story. Yeah, so, so the very first Bible does that contain? I did downloaded. Ihaven't read the whole thing yet, but there is a gospel account in there. Where what? Who wrote that,...

...or is there any do they knowwho wrote that? Sure that's that. In fact, that was the issuethat we had with that wikipedia article. They claim. All right, letme back the truck up a little bit. Our Bible, or the first Biblethat ever existed, prior to the Nice Scene Bible or the Modern Biblethat everyone is familiar with now. The First Bible only consisted of the gospelof the Lord and the ten epistles from Paul. That gospel of the therewas no gospel of Mark, Gospel of Luke, Gospel of John Acts Anyof that gospel of Matthew. It was only the gospel of the Lord,and that Gospel came from the Apostle Paul. People may be familiar with this,but there's a story of Paul, on the road to Damascus, receiveda revelation and it is that revelation that is the gospel of the Lord.In other words, this was Jesus telling Paul, giving Paul through revelation,the story that he was to tell to the gentiles, to the rest ofthe world, so that when you read that, and by the way,you won't find the gospel of the Lord in the Modern Bible. It's notthere. But what's interesting is that all those other Gospel that the four othergospels and acts all contain, I really should do an episode on I mayhave touched on this, but all contain bits and pieces, in one formeranother, of that original gospel of the Lord. And it's our contention.And, by the way, mark and Luke, those two gospels. Well, those two characters, those two people, Mark and Luke, they weren't apostles. They never met Jesus. I don't know if people are aware ofthat. You know, People Think, Oh, the Gospel of Mark,Gospel of Luke, they must hung out with Jesus and broke bread. No, they never met him, they never knew him. They were not evenapostles. But right, here's where they come in. Both mark and Lukewere traveling companions of Guess who, the Apostle Paul. So when the ApostlePaul was going out throughout the Roman Empire setting up these churches. Guess whowas tagging along with them? Mark and Luke. And guess what both markand Luke did after they left traveling around with Paul? They both wrote Gospels. Now you don't need to be Columbo to figure this out. So notonly did luke, and by the way, you can look at look, lookat the first paragraph of Luke. Luke comes right out and says,I I'm getting all this second and third hand. I'm writing this to you. Most excellent theophilis. Apparently he was writing Luke as a letter explanation ofChristianity to some Roman magistrate or friend or someone that he knew. You canread it yourself. I mean no one, no one's making this up. Sothe the the the lineage of these gospels is very shaky, very shady. You know, we're you just it's just so hard to explain to peoplewhat a relief it is to finally have some firm theological footing, to knowwhere Your Gospel came from, to know what's in your Bible, the peoplethat are that are mentioned in it. You know, we as Marcy Knights, we don't have to, you know, go oh my wife may have cheatedon me, so I needed to eat this dirt and then we'll doa ritual to see if she was telling the truth. You know, allthis cobbalistic red heffer's talking carp nonsense. We don't have to worry about that. Moreover, is Marcy Knights. We're not put in that uncomfortable position thatChristians are today where they have to defend the Jews, they have to goback and defend what happened in the Old Testament. They're put in the positionof hand of having to defend a people and a deity that are completely aliento true Christianity. That's that's that's a very sad position to be in.So I would hope that, if nothing else, we help people escape thatmental prison that they're in. Yeah, but I mean, I'll everything youshared with me today is really interesting and it's definitely food for thought. AndI'm wondering is the you know, I've read a few books. One wasby Bart d airmen and another by Bishops...

Bong and they talked about how therewas a common source, a Common Gospel, which some of the other gospel writerseither copied from or partially copied, and they refer to that as likethe que document. Is that? Does that have anything to do with themark the Gospel that's in the Marcie Night Bible? I'm vaguely familiar with it. I I think they're all, a lot of the theologians, a lotof the historians are, are, for whatever reason, right now wrestling withthis problem of the Gospels and they're having a very hard time, you know, making sense of them and where they came from and their providence. Andso q came up as a explanation for things that don't make any sense.But they do. They don't need to invent just like we have our modernday queue, that complete bullshit story. Well, the queue of two thousandyears ago is the same kind of thing, where you've got this mysterious, hoveringexplanation for all that is unexplained. And that's what they're trying to useQ as and q is like they're you know, they're they're there, theirtouchstone, that that solves all of their problems, and it does. Infact, if you look at acts, and apparently luke also wrote ax will, acts was written as a way to tie up all the loose ends fromall the other gospels where the stories just didn't make any sense, and that'swhat acts did, as it kind of was this band aid that fixed everythingfor them theologically, and q is kind of the band aid for the theologiansto fix things that don't make sense for them. When when there's no needto go through all of these mental contortions, there's no need for all the gymnastics, all they have to do is literally pick up the very first Bible. Everything is answered there. I'll give you an example. One of thebiggest debates that people have is the lineage of Jesus Christ. where, youknow, was he a Jew? Where did he you know he'd can't.It's all answered literally in the first sentence of the first paragraph of the Gospelof the Lord and it's examples like that of where a lot of this mysteryis just dealt with. There's there's really no need for our again, whatthis gets back to is what I was saying before, which is the senseof relief you feel once you realize what you were looking for not only isthere, but it's been there the entire time. Well, think about theenemies that this creates with the Judaizers over the last two thousand years just.I mean it has been relentless the way that they've attacked not only Christians ingeneral, but Marcian nights specifically. They went after them hammer and Tong afterthe council of NICEA and three and twenty a d. that's really that wasthe death knell for the Marcian Knights and a lot of the other pre niceeenchurches. And, you know, with with the power of the Roman Empire, the Judaizers had their day. You know things. We could do awhole nother episode on this, but things really looked up for these first Christians, these pre niceen Christians. I would say their golden age was about fortyeight a D to three hundred and twenty four a d, because in fortyeight a d there was something called the council of Jerusalem and it was atthat council of jrulism Jerusalem where all of these Judaic, weird traditions were throwninto the theological dumpster. This whole barking at the Moon, full moon holidays, the six hundred thirteen Hebrew laws, all of that were thrown out.The Apostles got together and said look, we can't, we're this has nothingto do with Jesus Christ. We're not going to be getting any new Christiansbased on this. We might as well just become a messianic Jew cult ifwe're going to keep all these weird Jewish traditions, which is true. Sothey got rid of them in forty eight a d. So that began theGolden Age for the pre nice in Christians. And then we had the complete disasterof three hundred and twenty a d...

...at the Council of NICEA. Thatwas I would say, I mean, if you had to look at atimeline, I would say probably just the worst day ever was that council.And it just it's and it's from that mistake that it's that. You knowwe're talking about corrupt trees earlier. That is your corrupt tree right there,the council of NICEA, and it is from that corrupt tree that we've gottenthis bad fruit. Well, what happened at the council that and we mayif you don't have time, we may have to do another podcast some time. But it's is that when they decided what the twenty seven books to theNew Testament are going to be. Or Yeah, well, yeah, that, that that that's part of it. It's a here. It's really it'sit's a great story. It's also a long story, but let me letme just shorten it just a little bit and just say this. The FirstBible that I talked about had one gospel of the Lord and ten books.After the Council of NICEA, it ballooned to four gospels plus acts and seventytwo books. So or sixty six books, depending on how you want to cutthe cake. But that that should be a representation for you, mathematically, of tat a power outage. Hopefully you're still there. I can stillokay, I have I have backup for everything except this mic. So whatever. So we went from one Gospel and ten books and ballooned after the Councilof Nicea to four Gospels plus acts and seventy two books. Now is dowe have all these extra books because Jesus made extra trips that had to beaccounted for and written down and talked about? No, all this material came fromsomewhere else, came from the judy users. This Modern Bible that peopleread right now contains less than three percent of Jesus's actual words. The restis fluff. So I would say if people really want to get back intouch with, or reconnect with Christianity as it was, as it was meantto be, you don't even have to join the mercy and I church.All you have to do is pick up a copy of that First Bible andit will act as a as a cryptographic key. I'll tell you, Iknow this sounds weird, but when I have extra time, I love totake the first Bible and then compare it to the other gospels or what Ifind in the Modern Bible, and I can literally see where they did theediting, how they did the editing, the message that they were trying tointerweave with this parable or that story. It's really it's I mean it'll makea theologian out of a out of Joe Sixpack, it's that interesting. Sothat would be my my final word. And, by the way, ifyou want to do another show on just on the Council of NICEA I Ithink it would be worth your time to do it. Okay, yeah,I'll consider that. And Darren, I just really want to thank you foryour time today and sharing all the information with us and I am looking forwardto putting this out there. All right, I appreciate it and yeah, anytimehappy to do it. Thanks,.

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