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Episode · 8 months ago

Words Matter: Who Butchered The Lord's Prayer?

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There are three different versions of The Lord's Prayer and none of them are reflective of the original words - why? What was so dangerous about the original prayer and who was offended by it? Take another deep dive into the murky waters of theology with The Right Bible Podcast.

Links mentioned in the show:

The Very First Bible

https://www.theveryfirstbible.org/

Vatican/Marcion Manuscript Release

https://www.prlog.org/12829026-first-bible-vindicated-after-vatican-release-shows-epistles-based-on-marcionite-scripture.html

Galatians 4:4 revisited

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlqzKeWJxlY

...scripping away two thousand years offalse doctrine isn't easy, but we've had lots of coffee. Now your host DarenKalama, the tangled webs we weave when first wepractice to deceive everybody, Duran Kolama, here with another dition of theRight Bible podcast. You know one of the neat things to do when you have acopy of the very first Bible is useit as the original template and compareother gospels and Scriptures to it. So you can see how the Bible was changedand edited and its meanings perverted and judiized over the last two thousandyears. It kind of feels like cheating a little bit in a way I mean you knowlike knowing ty answers to the test beforehand. I don't know but based onthe comments that we've gotten on the show, I'm getting the feeling that I'm notthe only one, that's kind of created a little hobby out of doing it, it's itsabout as much fun as you can have with...

...the Bible. Anyway, a few episodes agowe did our first deep dime playing with our new hobby and we tookapartcallations for for in a big way. I mean we really got in there and threwit up on the rack drop some handlagins on it and just really ripped it apartverse by verse, and that was a real eye. Opener that show- and we saw how usingjust eight words- they inverted the entire original meaning of thatscripture. And if you haven't seen that episode, it's definitely worth a listenor Woreh. The look on the Youtuber bitshoot videos that were that were put up andI'll put a link in the Shono. So you can take a look at it and just by theway of background, there's other places in academia that you can find parts andpieces of the very first Bible. Now some have just the Gospel used by theApostle Pall. Others have his original epistles sometimes called the postalacafrom its original Greek. But as far as...

I know, the Marcianite Christian churchis the only one. That's published, the entire first Christian Bible of UNDRED,a forty four ad with numbered chapters and verses in its entirety in StandardBible format. And it's what we use here on the show when we do these deep divesand we compare the original scripture to the edited stuff. Now you can goahead and pay ten bucks for it on Amazon. If you want, I mean we don'tmind, we'll take the money, but why not get it for free and I'll have a link inthe show note? So so you can go ahead and do that and by the way, thepistoles or the ten books in that original First Bible are referred to asthe Apostolica, but the Gospel preach by Paul the one that you're not goingto find in your modern judyizes Bible. That's called the evangellion, it'sanother Greek cort and if Paul Rode it you can bet, it was probably in Greek.He also spoke that Greek language and it's funny because of the King JamesAversion from sixteen hundred. We...

...always had this little British guy inour head when we, when we read the Bible, saying a lot of here, Ye andwherefore art, Thou type of words and thick British accents. But if you hadtalked like that around Jesus, they would have put you in a rubber room ormaybe performed in exercism on you, because nobody spoke like that. WhereJesus lived, it was all mainly aromaic and Greek. It was the lingua FRONCO.Now we should probably do a separate show just on language and how itimpacted the Judiies Bible that you ended up with hat's a great story andI'm a little surprise movies haven't been done about it. Actually, I do knowwhy they haven't done movies about it anyway. That First Bible in Greek wastranslated by sint jerome to Latin. They called Wood. He came up with theLatin full gate or Latin Bible Saint Jerome. By the way it was known as thepopes translator he was fluent in Latin...

Greek and Hebrew. He was a kind of thebig brain of the four century. Back then now not to get two off track, butsome documents and maniscripts just released by the Vatican, show and provethat jerome got his source material. His original Greek tax from Marcion YepMarcian of Sinam, the same guy that they claimed was a heritace. I meanit's Hilarious when you think about it, and that should really be its own showfor sure and I'll put a link in the shownote. So you can read a pressrelease that was done on that. A recent Vatican Marcion manuscript release, infact I'll drop in some images of that release for the Youtub, an bittshootversions that we do in the show you'll be able to see it right there in black and white.I was amazed at my first impression to be honest with you was:...

...do they even know that thereleasingness tdid they have any idea what this is, because what has beenhappening over the last few years and I'm way off script on this show rightnow, but what's been going on the last few years that the Vatican is they'vebeen undergoing a large digitization process of all of their manscripts, sothey're they're scanning everything and they're,releasing it to the public, which is great I mean, I think it's great wellin the course of doing all this they're releasing things. Maybe that are Idon't know some people might consider to be politically sensitive or they don't know that they're,releasing it they're. Just saying you know it's like a big sale on TVs orsomething get it all out of here, sell it for whatever anyway they're justdumping. All these scanned digitize documents out on the Internet, and wewent out as weere wont to do, and...

...we found these, and it was amazing.It's basically basically the way this breaks down. Is these manuscripts showthat the origin of the epistles that you read in Your Bible? It shows thatthey came from a translation from sit jerome. Now we are. Everybody alreadyknew that I mean it's not shocking, but what was shocking was it. The documentsalso show that jerome got them directly from Marciano. Sino got them from aMercy Unite Church anyway, yeah we're probably going to do a whole separateshow on that. You can look at these. These images if you want Wi love, also, maybe some video clips for you to lookat it's ather and black and white all right where's, my weedwagger. We got alittle off the beaten path there. Okay right! Today's item of interest, theLord's prayer, now remember what I said about tangled webs. Well, we have one.Your Modern Bible has two different...

...versions of the Lord's prayer, one fromMatthew and he's the guy who rewrote the over the top judiized version ofthe original Gospel from Paul and a slightly different Lord's prayer thatwe find in Luke. Now, as we get in here remember a couple things Matthew waswritten by Jews for Jews. It was the gospel that they tried to use toconvert other Jews. So it reads basically like a guest list from aBarmintma mean not much in. It is very useful to us, as Christians and theJews probably laughed at it almost as much as I do and you'll see why, as weget into this is for Luke, I'm not really sure what to say. I mean who washe? The only thing we know for sure is that he never met Jesus and we know theGospel attributed to him. Whoever he was was a collection of storiescompiled second and third hand, and we covered the entire Loup fiasco in thatearlier, show that we did about...

...colations for four, and I heilyrecommend you listen to that if you haven't already because it's it's pretyinteresting, so here's where we're at we have three different lords prayers.We have the one for Matthew, one from Luke, and then we have the original ordprayer from the first Christian Bible, each with its own little idiosyncrases,or maybe it's actually four versions, because the Catholic Church, while theyalso have one, but they claim that it has mythean roots and of course it wentthrough later revisions in s after the Vatican to debacle whichwill deal with separately. So today we really just want to focus on Luce andMatthew Right now now, at first glance, the differences aren't huge if you're acasual Bible reader, your eyes will just glaze over as you mumble it withthat British account there's a little different exam. Okay, let's read theMatthew version, our father in heaven,...

...hello, be your name! Your kingdom comeyour will be done on earth as it is in heaven give us this stay our dailybread and forgive es our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors and donot bring us to the time of trial but rescue us from the evil one. That's itnow. The first thing we see is it in the beginning of the prayer. Somethingseems to be missing, I mean what are we doing here? I guess we're praying forbread at least both versions agree on that. This is a prayer that starts outwanting of bread, and we want that bread Wen today give us this day ordaily bread now not later now today, but not so fast, their bread Guy Jesusgathered his apostles together to teach them a special prayer, so they can askfor bread. They asked him specifically how to pray to God and what to say so.He starts out telling them to ask for some bread to be delivered today.

No, in fact, look at that comparisontable. Something seems to be missing. Doesn't something appears to have beenremoved from the beginning of the prayer from both versions? Ta G, Iwonder what that could be. I know let's look at the original and see what itcould be: Wus, ire'Santhing msingoh there it is father, let your HolySpirit come upon us now. That makes a little more sense.Doesn't it. That is how you start a prayer. That is how you begin talkingwith God and you'll notice. How Wicky says in their entry quote unquote otherancient authorities mention the original warding and that's hilariousyeah, because it was more than just mentioned. It was in the prayer beforetwo unknown judiizing authors, given the name of Luke and Matthew, edited itout ancient authorities yeah, you got...

...that part right now. It's also missingfrom the Catholic version. Why did they remove it? They were happy enough,adding dasology like the power and kingdom verbuglator, but for somereason they were compelled to take a Nife to the Holy Spirit. Part. Why?Okay? Moving on to this all important bred issue, give us this day and giveus each day. This has the same magic act connotation. Some consumerismconnotations. Definitely a transactional vibe to it. Give me somebread right now today, but let's take a look at the words from the original andthey say give us day by day our bread for the coming day. Interesting, isn'tit asking for the bread not in one shot, but over time through a succession ofmany days a bit at a time you see the difference now. Do you attach someimportance to that? Learly, the editors...

...did: Why was it so important to them tochange how it is that we receive our gifts from God? Were they pandering toa specific audience and if they were pandering and trying to convert Jews,would this editing have helped them? If so, in what way? It was importantenough that they can think about this important enough, that they edited thevery words of Jesus Christ and not just any words the words he specificallytaught the apostles and how to pray to God. That's very important think aboutthe hubors and audacity of that, but, more importantly, ask why. Why cut outthe Holy Spirit? Why Change Hal? We ask for our gifts to be received from God,whose agenda is at work here later the prayer moves into US forgiving thedebts that are owed to us, a a segment that is also completely removed in theCatholic version, which again claims to have mothean roots. Now nobody shouldbe editing the words of God or Jesus...

...there's, never a good reason for it. Idon't care why you're doing it or who you're trying to convert this entireissue of judiizing in word. Games should have been put to rest in Fourty,eight ad at the Council of Jerusalem and that's Wen. Six hundred thirteenHebrew laws were rightfully tossed in a theological dumpster, but readers ofthe First Bible can take comfort, knowing that their Gospel and scripturehas remained unchanged and unaltered since one forty four aigd and when theysay the Lord's prayer, they're saying it exactly as Jesus tounus. This hasbeen darea colame with the Right Bible, podcast and we'll see you next time lots of changes in the world right nowand almost none of them are good. But there's one thing that hasn't changed:the Very First Bible, that's right same as the day it was compiled back inOndre, forty four ad, first of its kind,...

...the original- and it looks a lotdifferent from that modern edited vible that people read to day. You see thefirst one just had ten books. We Call Him Epistles and one Gospel, and it'scalled the gospel of the Lord, the one that the Apostle Paul kept calling mygospel and, of course it just had one God in it. The God revealed to usthrough his son, Jesus Christ and that's just the way millions of thefirst Christians liked. It then came all those changes a few hundred yearslater kind of like they do it to day, all of a sudden that Bible one from tenbooks and one Gospel and blew up into seventy three books and four differentgospels written by unknown Authors Yeah. They gave them names like Luke,but Luke never met Jesus and that's just a fact and forty nine of thoseseventy three books came from the...

Hebrew Bible at Haara, picky, nay,Chkaka Hek. You see they stapled on a whole different religion in Godand.They ended up calling it the Old Testament, whatever. That means notsure what they're selling, but you sure, don't want to be praying to it and that Gospel that Paul always talkedabout the one he preached around the World Yeah they got rid of that too.You won't find it in that Modern Bible. You know, there's no better time to getright with God, and that starts with getting the Right Bible. The first oneused by millions of Christians just type in four words in your browser, thevery first Bible download it free or pick up the paperback at Amazon,because, if you're not reading the very first Bible, you're reading, justanother book.

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